Comments on: Lesson 2 of 3 from "The Big Moo": They Say I’m Extreme http://blog.briandicroce.com/2008/10/14/lesson-2-of-3-from-the-big-moo-they-say-im-extreme/ On the infinite search for the silver bullet... Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:41:41 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Brian Di Croce http://blog.briandicroce.com/2008/10/14/lesson-2-of-3-from-the-big-moo-they-say-im-extreme/comment-page-1/#comment-905 Brian Di Croce Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:54:28 +0000 http://blog.briandicroce.com/?p=387#comment-905 Corey, one of the values of XP is courage. Meaning that when nobody seems to deliver what they ought, someone (you, perhaps?) MUST ring the bell and have the courage to say or indicate what's wrong or what needs to be improved. It could be something as small as the codebase or as challenging as changing the process in place to developer the software. If nothing change and you still believe that it goes against some key values and principles, then its better to start to look somewhere else that share the values and principles you so strongly believe in. Change is hard, but not impossible. Corey, one of the values of XP is courage. Meaning that when nobody seems to deliver what they ought, someone (you, perhaps?) MUST ring the bell and have the courage to say or indicate what’s wrong or what needs to be improved. It could be something as small as the codebase or as challenging as changing the process in place to developer the software. If nothing change and you still believe that it goes against some key values and principles, then its better to start to look somewhere else that share the values and principles you so strongly believe in. Change is hard, but not impossible.

]]> By: Arjan`s World » LINKBLOG for October 15, 2008 http://blog.briandicroce.com/2008/10/14/lesson-2-of-3-from-the-big-moo-they-say-im-extreme/comment-page-1/#comment-868 Arjan`s World » LINKBLOG for October 15, 2008 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:20:16 +0000 http://blog.briandicroce.com/?p=387#comment-868 [...] *** Lesson 2 of 3 from “The Big Moo”: They Say I’m Extreme - Brian di Croce ‘ It’s important that you realize when “enough is enough” and realize that your integrity and credibility is on the line every time you’re doing something that violates your set of values and principles ‘ Thanks Brian! Today I feel especially inspired by They say: “Plan it”. I say, “Do It” [...] [...] *** Lesson 2 of 3 from “The Big Moo”: They Say I’m Extreme – Brian di Croce ‘ It’s important that you realize when “enough is enough” and realize that your integrity and credibility is on the line every time you’re doing something that violates your set of values and principles ‘ Thanks Brian! Today I feel especially inspired by They say: “Plan it”. I say, “Do It” [...]

]]> By: Corey Furman http://blog.briandicroce.com/2008/10/14/lesson-2-of-3-from-the-big-moo-they-say-im-extreme/comment-page-1/#comment-867 Corey Furman Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:38:30 +0000 http://blog.briandicroce.com/?p=387#comment-867 Brian, I "grew up" in a rigid waterfall environment, but I had no formal software development training. Out of this, I have done a fair amount of reading into XP, Agile and most especially, TDD. I certainly agree with some of the points (especially so in TDD), but at the end of the day, I end up walking away feeling that these new methods are more about promoting our value as developers, as opposed to us being agents who promote business. Respectfully, I imagine only those developers who are superhumanly disciplined can make either Agile or XP work. In all other cases, they just give developers an excuse to be slobs. This seems to me to be particularly true in the area of documentation. Brian,
I “grew up” in a rigid waterfall environment, but I had no formal software development training. Out of this, I have done a fair amount of reading into XP, Agile and most especially, TDD. I certainly agree with some of the points (especially so in TDD), but at the end of the day, I end up walking away feeling that these new methods are more about promoting our value as developers, as opposed to us being agents who promote business.

Respectfully, I imagine only those developers who are superhumanly disciplined can make either Agile or XP work. In all other cases, they just give developers an excuse to be slobs. This seems to me to be particularly true in the area of documentation.

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